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the herald ■ Thursday, August 23, 2018

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Colts’ announcer retires after using racial slur By MICHAEL MAROT AP Sports Writer INDIANAPOLIS — An off-the-air racial slur prompted the immediate retirement of longtime Indianapolis Colts nfl radio voice Bob Lamey last weekend, team officials and Lamey’s attorney confirmed Wednesday. Local attorney James Voyles issued a statement acknowledging the 80-year-old Lamey used “inappropriate” language during a conversation with a friend at a local radio station and apologized immediately. “Bob does want to acknowledge

that while repeating a story while off-the-air last week to a friend at a local radio station, he used an inappropriate word that had been used in the story,” Voyles’ statement read. “Bob immediately apologized to the people involved for the Lamey comment and would hope that this error in judgment would not tarnish his long-held reputation

in the sports community where he has been known as an accurate and passionate reporter.” A report on a local television’s station website, WTHR.com, claimed an employee at Emmis Communications heard the comment and reported it to the radio station’s human resources department, which then contacted the Colts. It’s not the first time Lamey’s words have caused controversy. But what happened last week the Colts found intolerable. The announcement of Lamey’s retirement after 31 years with the Colts came Sunday. He was replaced on Monday

night’s radio broadcast by Matt Taylor. Initially, the Colts attempted to paint his departure as the celebration of a Hall of Fame broadcasting career that spanned five decades. But after word leaked about the conversation and Voyles issued his public statement Wednesday morning, the Colts immediately took a different tack. “In regards to Bob Lamey ... first and foremost, the Colts deplore and do not tolerate the use of any racial slur — in any context,” Colts chief operating officer Pete Ward wrote in an email. “Bob has had a long and storied history in our community, but he made a serious mistake.

The Colts are deeply disappointed the incident took place and offer our sincerest regrets to all who were impacted by Bob’s lapse in judgment.” Ward went on to say that the Colts only decided to comment after Lamey made his account. Previously, there had been praise for Lamey as his retirement was announced on the weekend. “Bob Lamey is a legend and icon,” Colts owner Jim Irsay said in Sunday’s release. “(His) name is synonymous with Indianapolis Colts football.” Former players weighed in, too, as Lamey said simply “it’s time” to retire.

36. Eckstein 18:23.49, 38. Gordon 18:25.18, 49. Eckert 18:42.61, 81. Simone 19:25.00, 84. J. Summerlot 19:28.62, 88. L. Summerlot 19:41.34, 102. Ramirez 20:06.34, 107. Kilian 20:18.43, 116. R. Mehringer 20:28.05, 122. C. Mehringer 20:38.91, 134. King 20:57.88, 137. Lang 21:03.35, 141. Anderson 21:07.00, 143. Chanley 21:08.63, 144. Bauer 21:09.77, 154. Wood 21:25.20, 166. Mitchell 21:55.95, 167. Chase 21:55.95, 170. Danzer 22:06.31, 172. Terwiske 22:10.91, 187. Schroeder 22:55.32, 189. Matute 23:02.74, 205. McCullough 24:02.46, 212. Booker 25:04.26 GIRLS Team Scores 1. Daviess County (Ky) (46), 2. Evansville Memorial (63), 3. Jasper (99), 4. Grayson County (Ky) (140), 5. Madisonville-North Hopkins (Ky) (176), 6. Evansville Mater Dei (189), 7. Tell City (19), 8. Apollo (Ky) (192), 9. Muhlenberg County (Ky) (239), 10. Hancock County (Ky) (261), 11. Evansville North (280), 12. Evansville Reitz (287), 13. Castle (360), 14. Evansville Harrison (379), no team score for Owensboro Catholic (Ky), Boonville, Breckinridge County (Ky), Owensboro (Ky) or Trinity (Ky). Top 10 1. Vogel (EM) 19:01.11, 2. Hoffman (DC) 19:09.41, 3. Sale (ER) 19:20.33, 4. Stallings (GC) 20:09.25, 5. Alexander (MNH) 20:16.77, 6. Morphew (EM) 20:21.02, 7. A. Skorge (J) 20:32.32, 8. Taylor (DC) 20:46.02, 9. A. VanMeter (J) 20:52.67, 10. Fisher (EN) 20:59.36 Other Jasper Results — 22. K. Skorge 21:34.11, 32. A. Schnell 22:16.38, 37. L. Schnell 22:47.17, 38. M. VanMeter 22:52.84, 65. Jochum 24:37.36, 72. Ahner 24:55.03, 73. Weisheit 25:10.55, 75. Christiansen 25:26.22, 76. Land 25:28.46, 77. Lofton 25:32.74, 85. Bielawa 26:06.28, 88. Knies 26:21.16, 90. Grow 26:28.15, 92. Schmitt 26:36.21, 118. Kidwell 28:38.23, 146. Davis 35:11.26

Colson Montgomery (SR).......7 14  116 0 2 Cole Sigler (HH)....................5 6 76 1 0 Jacob Alhbrand (J).................5 12 35 0 0 Garret Berg (FP)....................7 14 35 0 2 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Seth Nunamaker (SR).........1 54 54.0 1 Gavin Vaal (HH)..................1 28 28.0 0 Phillip Noblitt (J).................2 27 13.5 0 Joe LaGrange (SR)..............2 27 13.5 0 SCORING TD FG PAT 2PT PTS Tucker Schank (SR)...............3 0 0 0 18 Cole Sigler (HH)....................2 0 0 0 12 Carson Leibering (HH)...........0 3 6 0 9 Elliott Hopf (J).......................1 0 0 0 6 Colson Montgomery (SR........1 0 0 0 6 Seth Nunamaker (SR)............1 0 0 0 6 Cody Frakes (HH)..................1 0 0 0 6 Cade Jones (HH)...................1 0 0 0 6 Phoenix Rodgers (HH)............1 0 0 0 6 Jacob Wetzel (HH).................1 0 0 0 6 Jeovany Dubon (SR)...............0 0 5 0 5 Jackson Kabrick (J)...............0 0 1 0 1 TACKLES Solo Assist Total Gavin Pierce (FP)....................7 5 101/2 Isaac Bartley (J).....................5 2 6 Jake Begle (FP)......................5 2 6 Jacob Wetzel (HH)..................6 0 6 Zach Lueken (FP)...................4 3 51/2 Phoenix Rodgers (HH).............4 3 51/2 Chanler Balsmeyer (SR)..........4 2 5 Gavin Vaal (HH)......................4 2 5 Will Smith (J).........................3 3 41/2 Matt Price (SR)......................3 3 41/2 Tyler Litkenhus (HH)...............0 4 4 Kadon Hurm (J) .....................3 1 31/2 Zach Watson (J).....................2 3 31/2 Cole Calvert (SR)....................1 5 31/2 Corbin Bell (FP)......................2 3 31/2 Kyle Hedinger (J)....................1 4 3 Seth Nunamaker (SR).............2 2 3 Kaden Bowman (FP)...............3 0 3 Dylan Begle (HH)....................2 2 3 INTERCEPTIONS INT TD Caden Schmitt (J)...............................1 0 Cole Mohr (FP)...................................1 0 Dylan Begle (HH)................................1 0 Cody Frakes (HH)...............................1 1 Cade Jones (HH)................................1 0

San Diego at Colorado, 3:10 p.m. Atlanta at Miami, 7:10 p.m. Cincinnati at Chicago Cubs, 8:05 p.m. Friday’s Games Cincinnati (Harvey 6-7) at Chicago Cubs (TBD), 2:20 p.m. Philadelphia (Arrieta 9-8) at Toronto (Borucki 2-3), 7:07 p.m. Atlanta (Foltynewicz 10-7) at Miami (Straily 4-6), 7:10 p.m. Washington (Rodriguez 1-1) at N.Y. Mets (Vargas 3-8), 7:10 p.m. Pittsburgh (Musgrove 5-7) at Milwaukee (Miley 2-2), 8:10 p.m. St. Louis (Mikolas 13-3) at Colorado (Senzatela 4-3), 8:40 p.m. Seattle (Ramirez 0-2) at Arizona (Godley 13-6), 9:40 p.m. San Diego (Richard 7-10) at L.A. Dodgers (Hill 5-4), 10:10 p.m. Texas (Hutchison 2-2) at San Francisco (Rodriguez 6-1), 10:15 p.m. Saturday’s Games Cincinnati at Chicago Cubs, 2:20 p.m. Texas at San Francisco, 4:05 p.m. Washington at N.Y. Mets, 4:05 p.m. Philadelphia at Toronto, 4:07 p.m. Atlanta at Miami, 7:10 p.m. Pittsburgh at Milwaukee, 7:10 p.m. Seattle at Arizona, 8:10 p.m. St. Louis at Colorado, 8:10 p.m. San Diego at L.A. Dodgers, 9:10 p.m.

N.Y. Yankees at Baltimore, 1:05 p.m., 1st game Texas at San Francisco, 4:05 p.m. Philadelphia at Toronto, 4:07 p.m. Boston at Tampa Bay, 6:10 p.m. Chicago White Sox at Detroit, 6:10 p.m. N.Y. Yankees at Baltimore, 7:05 p.m., 2nd game Oakland at Minnesota, 7:10 p.m. Cleveland at Kansas City, 7:15 p.m. Seattle at Arizona, 8:10 p.m. Houston at L.A. Angels, 9:07 p.m.

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Local schedule ■■ TODAY, AUGUST 23 Prep Football Evansville Harrison at Jasper (F)    6:30 Southridge at Evansville North (F)    6:30 Heritage Hills at Evansville Mater Dei (F)    7:00 Prep Volleyball Forest Park at Crawford County (JV/V)    6:00 Northeast Dubois at North Knox (JV/V)    6:00 Southridge at Boonville (JV/V)    6:30 Heritage Hills at Evansville North (JV/V)    6:30 Prep Boys Soccer Jasper at Evansville Harrison (JV/V)    6:00 Mitchell at Southridge     6:00 Evansville Mater Dei at Heritage Hills (JV/V)    6:30 Northeast Dubois at Washington Catholic (V)    6:45 Prep Girls Soccer Northeast Dubois at Washington Catholic (V)    5:00 Princeton at Jasper (V)    6:30 Prep Boys Tennis North Posey at Southridge    5:30 Forest Park at South Spencer    5:30 Wood Memorial at Northeast Dubois    5:30 Heritage Hills at Gibson Southern    5:30 Prep Girls Golf Jasper at Washington    4:30 Southridge, North Posey at Gibson Southern    5:30 South Spencer at Forest Park    5:30 ■■ FRIDAY, AUGUST 24 Prep Football Jasper at Southridge (V)    7:30 Forest Park at Perry Central (V)    7:30 Tell City at Heritage Hills (V)    8:00 Prep Boys Tennis South Spencer at Heritage Hills    5:30 Jasper Four-Team Invite    6:30 ■■ SATURDAY, AUGUST 25 Prep Volleyball Jasper at Scottsburg Invitational (V)    9:00 Southridge at Perry Central Invite    9:30 Forest Park, HH at Boonville Invite (JV/V)    10:00 Prep Boys Soccer Southridge at Evansville Bosse    11:00 North Knox at Northeast Dubois (V)    11:45 Forest Park at Evansville North (JV/V)    Noon Mount Vernon at Jasper (V/JV)    12:45 Heritage Hills at Evansville North Tourney (V)    TBA Prep Girls Soccer Jasper at Washington JV Invitational    10:00 North Harrison at Forest Park    10:00 North Knox at Northeast Dubois (V)    10:00 Mount Vernon at Jasper (V)    11:00 Providence at Heritage Hills    1:00 Prep Boys Tennis Jasper Four-Team Invite    9:00 Northeast Dubois at Washington Tourney    9:00 Loogootee at Heritage Hills    3:00 Prep Cross Country Forest Park at Salem Invite    9:30

Prep cross country ■■ AT OWENSBORO, Ky. KENTUCKY-INDIANA BORDER CLASH BOYS Team Scores 1. Tell City (79), 2. Daviess County (Ky) (95), 3. Jasper (117), 4. Owensboro Catholic (Ky) (123), 5. Madisonville-North Hopkins (Ky) (126), 6. Evansville North (167), 7. Castle (183), 8. Evansville Reitz (223), 9. Evansville Memorial (237), 10. Muhlenberg County (Ky) (239), 11. Evansville Mater Dei (251), 12. Owensboro (Ky) (302), 13. Grayson County (Ky) (348), 14. Breckinridge County (Ky) (455), 15. Hancock County (Ky) (460), 16. Boonville (460), 17. Hopkinsville (Ky) (472), 18. Evansville Harrison (479), 19. Trinity (Ky) (591). Top 10 1. Parker (MNH) 15:40.45, 2. Mitchell (MC) 16:02.67, 3. Watts (MNH) 16:05.28, 4. Kaiser (TC) 16:15.61, 5. Miller (J) 16:35.55, 6. O’Neil (J) 16:38.85, 7. Schickel (EMD) 16:43.55, 8. Chestnut (TC) 16:44.36, 9. Stallings (OC) 16:44.93, 10. Schmidt (EN) 16:50.61 Other Jasper Results — 32. Eckman 18:15.60,

Share (Concluded from Page 19) “Our (guys) have to understand that the play doesn’t stop when something breaks down,” Ahrens said. “Our kids have to understand the situation. If it’s third and 7, we need seven yards. We don’t need a touchdown. Let’s get the first down instead of trying an

■■ AT HUNTINGBURG BOYS Southridge 34, Heritage Hills 41, Pike Central 75, Springs Valley 83 Top 10 1. Hopf (HH) 16:43, 2. Bland (SR) 18:06, 3. Huf (PC) 18:10, 4. Buechlein (HH) 18:34, 5. Hunter (SR) 18:49, 6. Curtis (SV) 18:51, 7. Chambers (PC) 19:03, 8. Giles (SR) 19:25, 9. Roy (SR) 19:44, 10. Cruz (SR) 19:52 Other Southridge Results — 16. Neher 21:06 Other Heritage Hills Results — 11. Coalter 20:08, 12. Wilson 20:31, 13. Rahman 20:33, 14. Koenig 20;43, 15. Minto 20:44, 22. Washington 21:51, 30. Vaal 25:22 GIRLS Heritage Hills 33, Southridge 45, Pike Central 58, Springs Valley 86 Top 10 1. Winkler (HH) 22:03, 2. Lueken (HH) 22:51, 3. Stone (PC) 23:38, 4. Gogel (HH) 23:50, 5. Teague (PC) 24:06, 6. Tretter (SR) 24:29, 7. Miller (SV) 24:44, 8. Ev. Hasenour (SR) 24:51, 9. Luker (SR) 25:01, 10. Howell (SHO) 25:10 Other Southridge Results — 11. A. Hasenour 25:33, 13. Motteler 25:42, 21. El. Hasenour 27:51 Other Heritage Hills Results — 12. Sisley 25:41, 16. Schipp 26:24, 18. Klem 26:59, 20. Garland 27:31

Pro baseball

2018 AREA FOOTBALL STATISTICAL LEADERS RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Cole Sigler (HH)...............12 139 11.6 2 Cade Jones (HH)..............10 83 8.3 0 Jacob Wetzel (HH)............15 72 4.8 1 Tucker Schank (SR)..........10 71 7.1 2 Elliott Hopf (J)..................17 69 4.1 1 Colson Montgomery (SR)....6 42 7.0 1 Phoenix Rodgers (HH).........6 37 6.2 1 Cole Calvert (SR)..............13 33 2.5 0 Zane Schaad (HH)..............2 31 15.5 0 PASSING COMP ATT YDS INT TD

MLB ■■ NATIONAL LEAGUE East Division W L Pct GB Atlanta . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71 55 .563 — Philadelphia . . . . . . . . . . . . . 68 58 .540 3 Washington . . . . . . . . . . . . . 64 63 .504 7½ New York . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 56 70 .444 15 Miami . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 51 77 .398 21 Central Division W L Pct GB Chicago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 72 53 .576 — St. Louis . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71 57 .555 2½ Milwaukee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71 58 .550 3 Pittsburgh . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 63 65 .492 10½ Cincinnati . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 56 71 .441 17 West Division W L Pct GB Arizona . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71 56 .559 — Colorado . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 69 57 .548 1½ Los Angeles . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67 61 .523 4½ San Francisco . . . . . . . . . . . 62 66 .484 9½ San Diego . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 79 .388 22 Wednesday’s Games Milwaukee 4, Cincinnati 0 Atlanta 2, Pittsburgh 1 Washington 8, Philadelphia 7 Chicago Cubs 8, Detroit 2 Miami 9, N.Y. Yankees 3 N.Y. Mets 5, San Francisco 3 Colorado 6, San Diego 2 Arizona 5, L.A. Angels 1 St. Louis 3, L.A. Dodgers 1 Thursday’s Games Philadelphia at Washington, 1:05 p.m. San Francisco at N.Y. Mets, 1:10 p.m.

impossible play for a touchdown.” But Ahrens still was able to find a bit of a silver lining in the setback: it’s better to suffer losses such as this and have an opportunity to learn early on instead of having the team unravel late because they can’t deal with shortcomings they didn’t know they had. “Showing weaknesses is better now than later,” Ahrens said. “Seeing good teams like this early forces you to recognize what didn’t

go well for you, and you have to change it.” So Ahrens has been taking the team back to basics on a level that goes beyond fundamental football mechanics — he wants his guys to readjust their minds and attitudes to the game towards a more workman-like approach as opposed to just going through the motions. Yes, there will be some minor adjustments, such as throwing earlier during possessions to keep

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■■ AMERICAN LEAGUE East Division W L Pct GB Boston . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 89 39 .695 — New York . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 79 47 .627 9 Tampa Bay . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 66 61 .520 22½ Toronto . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 58 69 .457 30½ Baltimore . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 37 90 .291 51½ Central Division W L Pct GB Cleveland . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 73 53 .579 — Minnesota . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60 66 .476 13 Detroit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 52 75 .409 21½ Chicago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48 78 .381 25 Kansas City . . . . . . . . . . . . . 38 89 .299 35½ West Division W L Pct GB Houston . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 77 50 .606 — Oakland . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76 51 .598 1 Seattle . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 72 56 .563 5½ Los Angeles . . . . . . . . . . . . . 63 65 .492 14½ Texas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 57 72 .442 21 Wednesday’s Games Toronto 6, Baltimore 0 Chicago White Sox 7, Minnesota 3 Texas 4, Oakland 2 Houston 10, Seattle 7 Chicago Cubs 8, Detroit 2 Boston 10, Cleveland 4 Miami 9, N.Y. Yankees 3 Tampa Bay 6, Kansas City 3 Arizona 5, L.A. Angels 1 Thursday’s Games Cleveland at Boston, 1:05 p.m. Chicago White Sox at Detroit, 1:10 p.m. Kansas City at Tampa Bay, 7:10 p.m. Oakland at Minnesota, 8:10 p.m. Friday’s Games N.Y. Yankees (Sabathia 7-4) at Baltimore (Cobb 4-15), 7:05 p.m. Philadelphia (Arrieta 9-8) at Toronto (Borucki 2-3), 7:07 p.m. Boston (Velazquez 7-1) at Tampa Bay (TBD), 7:10 p.m. Chicago White Sox (Lopez 4-9) at Detroit (Fulmer 3-9), 7:10 p.m. Oakland (Manaea 11-9) at Minnesota (Odorizzi 5-7), 8:10 p.m. Cleveland (Clevinger 9-7) at Kansas City (Keller 6-5), 8:15 p.m. Seattle (Ramirez 0-2) at Arizona (Godley 13-6), 9:40 p.m. Houston (Keuchel 9-10) at L.A. Angels (Heaney 7-7), 10:07 p.m. Texas (Hutchison 2-2) at San Francisco (Rodriguez 6-1), 10:15 p.m. Saturday’s Games

All Times EST  ■■ TODAY, AUGUST 23 TELEVISION 3 p.m. — Little League World Series: International Bracket, semifinal (ESPN) 6:30 p.m. — WNBA basketball: Playoffs Second Round, Los Angeles Sparks vs. Washington Mystics (ESPN2) 7 p.m. — Little League World Series: United States Bracket, semifinal (ESPN) 8 p.m. — MLB baseball: Cincinnati Reds at Chicago Cubs (FOXSMW) 8 p.m. — NFL football: Preseason, Philadelphia Eagles at Cleveland Browns (FOX) 8:30 p.m. — WNBA basketball: Playoffs Second Round, Phoenix Mercury vs. Connecticut Sun (ESPN2) RADIO 4:30 p.m. — Southridge Raiders at the Gaslight, with special guests the SHS Girls Golf Team (WITZ 104.7 FM) 6:30 p.m. — Prep football: From the Bench Coaches Show with Southridge football coach Scott Buening (WBDC 100.9 FM) 7:25 p.m. — Prep boys soccer: Jasper at Evansville Harrison (WITZ 104.7 FM) ■■ FRIDAY, AUGUST 24 TELEVISION 1 p.m. — College field hockey: Connecticut at Northwestern (BTN) 2 p.m. — MLB baseball: Cincinnati Reds at Chicago Cubs (FOXSMW) 2:30 p.m. — Men’s soccer: Bundesliga, Bayern Munich vs. 1899 Hoffenheim (FS1) 3 p.m. — Women’s tennis: Connecticut Open, semifinals (ESPN2) 6 p.m. — Prep football: Warren Central vs. Trinity (Ky.) (ESPNU) 6:30 p.m. — Boxing: Premier Boxing Champions, undercard bouts (FS1) 7 p.m. — Women’s college volleyball: Florida at Nebraska (BTN) 7 p.m. — Women’s tennis: Connecticut Open, semifinals (ESPN2) 8 p.m. — NFL football: Preseason, Detroit Lions at Tampa Bay Buccaneers (CBS) 8 p.m. — Pro basketball: Big 3 Basketball championship, Power vs. 3’s Company (FOX) 8 p.m. ­— MLS soccer: Orlando City SC vs. Atlanta United (ESPN) 8 p.m. — Boxing: Premier Boxing Champions, James-Montes (FS1) 8:40 p.m. — MLB baseball: St. Louis Cardinals at Colorado Rockies (FOXSMW) 9 p.m. — Pro tennis: Winston-Salem Open, semifinals (ESPN2) 10:30 p.m. — MLS soccer: Los Angeles Galaxy vs. Los Angeles FC (ESPN) RADIO 3:25 p.m. — Prep football: Southridge Forecasters (WITZ 104.7 FM) 3:40 p.m. — Prep football: Jasper Forecasters (WITZ 104.7 FM) 3:45 p.m. — Prep football: Cat Chat with Jasper football coach Tony Ahrens (WBDC 100.9 FM) 7:10 p.m. — Prep football: Jasper at Southridge (WITZ 104.7 FM; WBDC 100.9 FM) 7:15 p.m. — Prep football: Forest Park at Perry Central (WQKZ 98.5 FM) 7:45 p.m. — MLB baseball: St. Louis Cardinals at Colorado Rockies (WITZ AM 990/Juan 99.1 FM) 8 p.m. — Prep football: Tell City at Heritage Hills (WAXL 103.3 FM) 9:30 p.m. — Indiana Sports Talk (WITZ 104.7 FM)

the defense guessing, but everything else falls into place from there. “There’s a point where you take control of the situation,” Ahrens said. “First, it takes an attitude to have success in anything. Then you have to follow the game plan. You can’t just go and do your thing, because you destroy everything else that’s going on with the team.” It goes without saying that there is a lot of respect between

the Wildcats and Raiders. And it would be a sensationalist statement to say this game will make or break either team’s season. That being said, the goals for both programs are clear when the lights come on for the game: Focus on what they’re doing, make the adjustments to clean up the execution, and play with a clear mind on the game situation and what the team needs in order to succeed. After that, let the chips fall where they may.