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^ ^ R A N S C R I P T OF A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER ^(n AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON TUESDAY 4 JULY 1 9 7 9 ^ f Prime M i n i s t e r :

H e l l o , how

President Carter: Prime M i n i s t e r :

are

you?

Just great. Yes,

President C a r t e r :

very

I hope you

got

s a f e l y , to a l o t to

do.

T h a t ' s good.

MINISTER'S

S E R I A L No

V e r y good, no t r o u b l e .

President Carter:



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And did you have a good t r i p ?

Prime M i n i s t e r :

home s a f e l y .

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Were you p l e a s e d w i t h the outcome

o f t h e Summit?

Prime M i n i s t e r : w h i c h we

got

Yes,

I was,

through i t .

but

You

I was

a b i t a p p a l l e d a t the way

know I was

a bit disillusioned

in



with

summitry

President Carter

p e r s o n a l l y be

p r e p a r a t i o n n e x t t i m e t h e l a s t few h a l f a day

o r maybe a day.

y o u ' l l be

President Carter: a f t e r the v i s i t

circumspect.

I hope t h a t you

President Carter:

OK.

indeed,



can e x p e d i t e

getting me

your

advice

immediately.



S e c o n d l y , at the f o u r - p a r t y b r e a k f a s t

we

can

l e t me



I need t o have some mechanism by

I can exchange i d e a s

j u s t so you

g i v e me





I w i l l see t o t h a t

d i s c u s s e d t h e OPEC s i t u a t i o n and it,

....

discussed

to

I need t o have y o u r

Yes,

and

wasted

t o R h o d e s i a b e c a u s e Muzorewa's coming o v e r h e r e

Prime M i n i s t e r :

w h i c h you

really

There are t h r e e t h i n g s I would l i k e

We're on an open l i n e so I ' l l be

Prime M i n i s t e r :

s h o r t l y and

d a y s , b e c a u s e we

j u s t t o k i n d o f summarise what we

d i s c u s s w i t h you privately.

i n v o l v e d a l i t t l e more i n t h e

i n a h i g h l y c o n f i d e n t i a l way

have them - j u s t t h e mechanism;

you

on



might

your thoughts i n a despatch then I ' l l respond.

/Prime M i n i s t e r

Prime M i n i s t e r : t h o u g h t we will

R i g h t , yes.

would only

be P e t e r

talk

Carrington

President Carter:

Can

Prime M i n i s t e r :

We

repeat

you?

Prime M i n i s t e r :

Yes,

President Carter:

that

Mine w i l l I will

Carrington with

we

o t h e r p e r s o n about i t .

t h o u g h t t h a t we'd

President Carter:

that's

please?



Mine





each o f us o n l y t a l k

to

one



be P e t e r C a r r i n g t o n

d i s c u s s i t w i t h and

I presume L o r d

right.

W e l l , t h e n suppose I l e t Vance c o n t a c t

Carrington,

Carrington.

Prime M i n i s t e r :

Yes.

Kong, D e l h i and

I r a q and

President days.

Carter:

W e ' l l use

Prime M i n i s t e r :

to t h a t

t o you

briefly

a

few



going

t o s e n d someone out

here

signed;

I will

the person s h o u l d

s e n d someone o v e r .

have

We'll



attend



OK,

worked out w i t h you

I've

so h e ' l l be

will.

l e t t e r was

immediately.

w e l l I ' l l get the l e t t e r s i g n e d

and

get i t

through our F o r e i g n M i n i s t e r s .

Yes,

President Carter:

in Bali

the s e c u r i t y t h i n g ?

I f not,

President Carter:

about.

we

on

The

Prime M i n i s t e r :

be r e t u r n i n g tomorrow.

T h i r d l y , a r e you

exchange l e t t e r s

e x c h a n g e d them.

he w i l l

t h a t mechanism.

Yes,

Prime M i n i s t e r :

P e t e r ' s not y e t b a c k b e c a u s e he went t o Hong

W e l l Vance i s s t i l l

President Carter: to

t o one

I think



you

o t h e r p e r s o n i n o u r own.

Lord

T h a t s h a l l be done.

One

a l l right.

o t h e r p o i n t t h a t I'd l i k e t o t a l k

been a s k e d by S e n a t o r Kennedy and about t h e N o r t h e r n

t o you

briefly

Chip O ' N e i l l to

I r e l a n d q u e s t i o n , so t h a t we

talk

don't

/have



have a n o t h e r

Prime M i n i s t e r :

problem,

yes.



P r e s i d e n t C a r t e r : . . a l t e r c a t i o n as we d i d w i t h S p e a k e r Vance.

O ' N e i l l and

Do you have, I know i n t h e campaign b o t h you and J i m a v o i d e d

that issue.

Prime M i n i s t e r :

We w o u l d n ' t

have i t as a P a r t y i s s u e a t a l l .

We'd



have been wrong t o have had i t as a P a r t y i s s u e .

Do you have any a n a l y s i s t h a t ' s been done w i t h i n

President Carter: y o u r own

P a r t y o r Government t h a t you might

send t o me

that I could

r e a d o v e r j u s t t o d e s c r i b e b o t h t h e p r e s e n t s i t u a t i o n and any p r o s p e c t s

for

the future.

Prime M i n i s t e r :

I will

As a m a t t e r o f f a c t my

g e t one p r e p a r e d and have i t s e n t o v e r .

next appointment

i s w i t h Humphrey A t k i n s , o u r

S e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e f o r N o r t h e r n I r e l a n d , so t h a t can be done.

President

Carter:

I don't

and j u s t h e a r i n g

have any b a c k g r o u n d

directly

f r o m you about

knowledge about i t

the p r e s e n t

situation

and p r o s p e c t s f o r the f u t u r e w o u l d h e l p t o g u i d e me r e s t r a i n t s on i t o t h e r w i s e I w o u l d

any



l i k e to share i t c o n f i d e n t i a l l y

w i t h S e n a t o r Kennedy and O ' N e i l l .

Prime M i n i s t e r :

Yes,

I ' l l remember t h a n when d r a f t i n g i t .

A n y t h i n g t h a t ' s c o n f i d e n t i a l t o you I w i l l put President

Carter:

Good.

separately.

W e l l , r i g h t , t h a n k you v e r y much.

I hope

y o u have t i m e t o g e t some r e s t .

Prime M i n i s t e r :

I t ' s not a l l o w e d t o p o l i t i c i a n s .

i n t e r e s t i n g I thought. w ishes.

Goodbye.

President Carter:

But i t was

W e i l , t h a n k you v e r y much f o r ' p h o n i n g .

Goodbye



very Best